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it was basically a cube with inside of

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so this isn't anything that just is

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limited to the united states it's a

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast my name is andy and this is tom

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delong profile not an interview with tom

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delong i think what a few of these and

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now that i can say that in one interview

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yeah it's still not an interview with

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tom delong we would we would want that

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to happen

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um for for anyone commenting giving his

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abuse which we don't mind it's we still

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get the comments of this isn't an

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interview clickbait turned off you can

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turn off now if you expect an interview

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with tom delong this is the profile part

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2.5 not even the profile part 2. we're

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proper calling you here um

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this is your questions and thoughts on

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the last couple of parts that we've done

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ahead of us recording part three which

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may or may not be the final part we've

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not worked out yet but we'll see see how

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much more we've got to run um dan is

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with me for this as you've just heard

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dan welcome back

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thank you for having me um well i again

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i shouldn't say that we're just so used

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to it maybe you should be like hi this

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is andy and this is dad

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it feels like a long time since we

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recorded then it's been like five or six

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days and i always feel like ugh see if

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i'm not in that cycle of every couple of

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days doing something because i was away

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for a few days it totally throws me out

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oh we should wait let's pause there the

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listeners don't know that you celebrated

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your birthday this past weekend and

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that's why it's it's we're a little bit

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late yes but it was also a bit of a

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celebration for a stag new for you so

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happy birthday to

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bombard his emails with happy birthdays

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please oh yeah wait wait wait next year

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wait till next year um

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and uh yeah it was my friend stagger

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he's getting married soon as well so

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that was a lot of fun and it's taken me

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enough enough time to recover from it

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something good that happened in the

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meantime though and we're still a ways

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off our end of year charity fundraiser

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we've done it last end of last year dan

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came up with it was very successful um a

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couple of charities got some incredible

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donations from everyone that will still

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happen later on this year um however to

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kind of get that started we've we've had

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about the collaboration come up very

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quickly with a friend of mine who runs a

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small independent coffee shop a coffee

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business sorry in glasgow and it's

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uk and scotland particularly that'll

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mean something to you um basically my

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friend robert and pure roasters the

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company has created a coffee called

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space cadet which again is a glasgow

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only ship to the uk because of leaving

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now with with shipping stuff he's really

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fundraiser at the end of the year so if

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you like coffee at the link for it will

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be in the description you can click on

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that use the code valiant thor that'll

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be in the description as well and you

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can get yourself a lovely coffee support

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a local business but also support a

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charity as well just remember this is uk

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the uk find a friend in the uk and send

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them a bag of coffee get their address

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nice and again it all goes to charity as

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well um but listen on with tom delong

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profile part 2.5 this is your thoughts

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that we've done on tom delong and his

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involvement has history in the ufo

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subject um we're going to get straight

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about greek gods such a big deal

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through some of tom's old tweets and if

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you can let me bring up my favorite one

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atlantis yes

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about there was such a place as atlantis

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modalities might be the wrong word uh

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greek gods whether it was in the books

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thing for this it'd be very easy for me

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the overall picture

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god-like to us and we worship and they

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doubt been told some mistruths mistress

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jigsaw analogy comes in like he could

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different jigsaw and it's deliberately

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machines books because they are said to

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they they are what they are because tom

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different things from in what he's been

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told by people so he's just kind of

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repeating everything that he's been told

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in the hope that you know the rest of us

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fiction non-fiction i always get these

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anything away i i really enjoy them as

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obviously we know about lewisburg coming

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out and it's got to go through a strict

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vetting process and same as skin walkers

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at the pentagon and other books like

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that

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they could easily write a non-fiction

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book couldn't they and just put a lot of

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truth within it but if you put it in the

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backdrop of a real alien invasion with

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aliens coming through wormholes from

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other planets to fighters

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you could just hide all that truth in

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there but that

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that then you start to pick apart is

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that bit true is that but true are they

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coming from this galaxy are they using

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wormholes you know

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all that kind of stuff but um but yeah

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it's really interesting just to

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establish here fiction is the untrue

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stuff

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okay so fiction is

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okay so yeah not non-fake would be the

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correct way to put it okay cool thank

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you for checking that yeah

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folks i don't advance higher english at

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school it's just one of those things

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that when you think about too much you

303
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trip over that's all yeah at 36 it's

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just one of those things that goes out

305
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my head but yeah um so yeah thanks for

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the question good good start um gnosis

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who is a big help out on the discord

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channel which has been very very busy

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very active recently as well and and

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gnosis is going to appreciate that you

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dropped the g there as well i did drop

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the g i think i'm going to meet gnosis

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for a coffee sometime soon as well so if

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anyone's in the canada northeast of

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england

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hit us up and might have a little kind

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of impromptu meet up in a in a coffee

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shop somewhere um and more information

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on meetups coming very very soon

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hopefully um is anyone in blackpool end

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of june but anyway we'll get to that um

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gnosis says if we are to trust that the

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ttsa members were honest in their

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original list of endeavors then what do

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you think gave them the confidence to

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believe they could achieve these goals

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and use 50 million dollars worth of

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public money to do it looking at the

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same people in 2022 nothing so bold is

330
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now stated and nobody is trying to

331
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launch such grand endeavors was there

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something we still don't know or

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something the ttsa members expected to

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happen that didn't

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the financial side of things with ttsa

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was always muddy waters and

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i i would hasten to say that i i don't

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doubt even the people involved

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the financial side of it was probably

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muddy waters for them too

341
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plenty of you who got in touch with with

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myself and dan for this

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told us and one of you actually i'll

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read the comments and mentions how it

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was money well spent

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um dan you invested in ttsa i did yeah

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um i i feel

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that i can talk about it because i did i

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put my own money into it it was a i got

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a bonus in work and i thought yeah i'm

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gonna support the cause

352
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i will say that at no point did i ever

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expect them to make a spaceship that was

354
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one of those you know in a perfect world

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if they got the defense funding and they

356
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would need that kind of proper defense

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funding because that's how much it would

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cost to develop these that kind of thing

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you know you're not going to develop a

360
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revolutionary anti-gravity craft for 50

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million

362
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but in terms of maybe inspiring people

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who are going to possibly invent those

364
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things in the future or going to

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research them or you know just start

366
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investigating that paradigm shift that's

367
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coming that we're not alone

368
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i i think i would argue that it's money

369
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well spent and i was happy with my money

370
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being you know gone into that okay let

371
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me ask you because i looked at i

372
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remember at the time talking about it as

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well a few times that i

374
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came close several times to investing

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again the minimum amount i don't have

376
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and still don't have that kind of cash

377
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that i could just throw away on on lots

378
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of different investments but it was

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something i was really interested in

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why did you as someone with money to

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invest

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and it's it's almost a vote of

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confidence because you're not expecting

384
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to get anything really in return that

385
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wasn't that kind of investment what what

386
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made you look at the the anti-grav

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spacecraft and think well that's

388
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nonsense i'm not going to do that but

389
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i'll give them the money anyway because

390
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i think for a lot of people they they

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probably saw that and thought wow

392
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wouldn't that be amazing because i'm not

393
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going to lie as incredible

394
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acclaim as it was

395
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i i sort of bet on that for a while love

396
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they they've got this really incredible

397
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team of people here you know help of jim

398
00:14:07,350 --> 00:14:03,839
simova and all those guys steve justice

399
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and if you had lou and chris into that

400
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and

401
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sorry lu lila's undone chris melon seen

402
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as if i know them personally um you know

403
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that

404
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it why couldn't they because look at the

405
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team they've assembled

406
00:14:22,949 --> 00:14:20,800
you know very much avengers assemble

407
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type scenario

408
00:14:27,430 --> 00:14:25,199
did you not at any point think i'm not

409
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going to give them the cash because

410
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it seems like too much of a leap and i

411
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mean potentially you could use the word

412
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con

413
00:14:36,470 --> 00:14:34,560
yeah i mean that that's been thrown

414
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around hasn't it um

415
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it it really comes down to the fact that

416
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i was a fan of tom's work for a long

417
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time so it's not like tom came out of

418
00:14:46,949 --> 00:14:44,880
the blue asking for these things i i was

419
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,959
used to tom say big things coming soon

420
00:14:49,509 --> 00:14:48,480
and these things never materialized and

421
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:49,519
it happened with several blink

422
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:51,760
documentaries along the way and various

423
00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:52,800
other things

424
00:14:55,990 --> 00:14:53,920
so

425
00:14:57,829 --> 00:14:56,000
yeah when it comes to tom's big ideas i

426
00:15:00,550 --> 00:14:57,839
often take them with a pinch of salt but

427
00:15:02,069 --> 00:15:00,560
in terms of supporting him to spread the

428
00:15:03,509 --> 00:15:02,079
uap message

429
00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:03,519
you know

430
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i i essentially paid the price of stocks

431
00:15:09,670 --> 00:15:07,680
for us legislation like that's pretty

432
00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:09,680
that's pretty cool uh yeah

433
00:15:13,030 --> 00:15:11,120
not that it went directly to that but

434
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you know the dominoes fell and now

435
00:15:16,150 --> 00:15:14,480
that's where we are

436
00:15:18,069 --> 00:15:16,160
yeah and i think it's fair to say that

437
00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:18,079
the the money

438
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went to various different aspects of the

439
00:15:24,230 --> 00:15:22,560
organization because ttsa

440
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is still there as an entertainment

441
00:15:29,509 --> 00:15:27,199
company which obviously was something

442
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several members left because of

443
00:15:35,509 --> 00:15:31,440
and they've got the movie monsters in

444
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california supposedly coming soon it's a

445
00:15:40,470 --> 00:15:37,600
slightly different company so what's

446
00:15:42,949 --> 00:15:40,480
left is uh to the stars

447
00:15:44,870 --> 00:15:42,959
which is just the entertainment side of

448
00:15:47,030 --> 00:15:44,880
yeah and then ttsa was a separate thing

449
00:15:49,269 --> 00:15:47,040
but that's pretty much gone now and to

450
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the stars has a

451
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,079
scientific advisory board which

452
00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:54,000
that's said to have you know help itself

453
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:55,680
kind of sat on

454
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which is the same as

455
00:16:02,790 --> 00:16:00,959
essentially nick pope giving advice to

456
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:02,800
the the creators of science or

457
00:16:07,749 --> 00:16:05,680
independence day or arrival because he

458
00:16:09,430 --> 00:16:07,759
is seen as an expert in any field so we

459
00:16:11,590 --> 00:16:09,440
will contact you about

460
00:16:12,470 --> 00:16:11,600
you know any alien stuff that comes up

461
00:16:14,389 --> 00:16:12,480
but

462
00:16:16,629 --> 00:16:14,399
to the stars still plans on telling

463
00:16:17,670 --> 00:16:16,639
these stories like tom said that aspect

464
00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:17,680
of the whole thing has never really

465
00:16:21,430 --> 00:16:19,839
changed but like you say they've never

466
00:16:23,590 --> 00:16:21,440
gone back out and let's be fair i don't

467
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:23,600
think given what happened with the

468
00:16:27,430 --> 00:16:25,759
company and the way things sort of ended

469
00:16:28,949 --> 00:16:27,440
they could in good faith go out and ask

470
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for money because i don't think they

471
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:30,800
would get anywhere near the same take-up

472
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:32,720
as they they got in those those early

473
00:16:36,629 --> 00:16:34,880
days i think that time's coming gone for

474
00:16:38,710 --> 00:16:36,639
them

475
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,720
what happened in the background

476
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is that something that comes out in in

477
00:16:44,629 --> 00:16:42,800
lew's book probably not is it something

478
00:16:46,470 --> 00:16:44,639
that comes out down the line maybe we

479
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,480
don't know but there was more people

480
00:16:51,189 --> 00:16:48,639
involved than just that that cast of

481
00:16:53,590 --> 00:16:51,199
characters we saw on unidentified there

482
00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:53,600
was a lot more people involved with ttsa

483
00:16:57,749 --> 00:16:55,199
in the background and that's probably

484
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:57,759
where things get muddy in murky and

485
00:17:01,430 --> 00:16:59,360
there's people you don't know because

486
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,440
they were still running a company

487
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,600
the people that we saw on that tv show

488
00:17:08,230 --> 00:17:05,839
weren't all sitting running this company

489
00:17:09,669 --> 00:17:08,240
and you know on a day-to-day basis so

490
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:09,679
that's something that if it comes out it

491
00:17:14,789 --> 00:17:12,240
comes out but we'll see down the line

492
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:14,799
um paul henderson to the stars academy

493
00:17:19,429 --> 00:17:16,319
definitely got the ball rolling and

494
00:17:21,029 --> 00:17:19,439
tommed along in my opinion as pivotal um

495
00:17:22,710 --> 00:17:21,039
i'd like to know that if that ufo

496
00:17:24,069 --> 00:17:22,720
podcast will ever get to interview him

497
00:17:26,309 --> 00:17:24,079
as i think we could ask some really good

498
00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:26,319
questions um surely luke can put in a

499
00:17:30,830 --> 00:17:28,240
good word for us so keep up the great

500
00:17:31,990 --> 00:17:30,840
work thank you um

501
00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,000
um i

502
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:34,320
i don't think lou is like friends with

503
00:17:37,110 --> 00:17:35,440
tom delong i don't think he's ever

504
00:17:38,549 --> 00:17:37,120
claimed to be um i mean they were

505
00:17:40,470 --> 00:17:38,559
colleagues weren't they uh they you know

506
00:17:42,390 --> 00:17:40,480
yeah endeavour together and that that

507
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:42,400
time come and when i wouldn't you know i

508
00:17:46,470 --> 00:17:44,880
wouldn't bet on them being besties yeah

509
00:17:47,590 --> 00:17:46,480
maybe if it maybe if the company was

510
00:17:49,830 --> 00:17:47,600
still together or they were still

511
00:17:51,270 --> 00:17:49,840
working together like then i would i

512
00:17:53,909 --> 00:17:51,280
would love anyone who knew tom delong

513
00:17:55,909 --> 00:17:53,919
that's something like i'll say recently

514
00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:55,919
dan didn't we we did reach out through a

515
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:58,080
few different avenues and you know we

516
00:18:03,110 --> 00:18:01,039
got nothing back and i've also had a if

517
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:03,120
there's interest we will reply but you

518
00:18:06,549 --> 00:18:04,559
get that for a lot of different guests

519
00:18:08,710 --> 00:18:06,559
so unfortunately it's just not one of

520
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:08,720
those things at the minute we'll be able

521
00:18:13,110 --> 00:18:11,280
to to get tom on and there was a whole

522
00:18:14,630 --> 00:18:13,120
delay as well tom was meant to be coming

523
00:18:16,390 --> 00:18:14,640
over to the uk with angels and airwaves

524
00:18:17,990 --> 00:18:16,400
as part of the european tour and that

525
00:18:19,190 --> 00:18:18,000
was cancelled due to covid so there

526
00:18:21,029 --> 00:18:19,200
might have been a whole load of

527
00:18:23,190 --> 00:18:21,039
publicity that was being sure that we

528
00:18:26,150 --> 00:18:23,200
might have got in on

529
00:18:28,549 --> 00:18:26,160
my my best hope for getting tom delong

530
00:18:30,710 --> 00:18:28,559
on the podcast this calendar year would

531
00:18:33,909 --> 00:18:30,720
be if monsters in california gets a

532
00:18:35,990 --> 00:18:33,919
press tour then i'm sure tom delonge

533
00:18:37,990 --> 00:18:36,000
will have no shame and there's no harm

534
00:18:40,230 --> 00:18:38,000
in this either in reaching out to the

535
00:18:42,470 --> 00:18:40,240
ufo and paranormal podcasts around the

536
00:18:44,070 --> 00:18:42,480
world to ask for some advertising and

537
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:44,080
promotion and would you know what i

538
00:18:46,710 --> 00:18:45,840
would take him up on that for the

539
00:18:49,909 --> 00:18:46,720
for the

540
00:18:51,669 --> 00:18:49,919
let's hope that comes around but thank

541
00:18:54,150 --> 00:18:51,679
you paul um

542
00:18:55,909 --> 00:18:54,160
alex says i think ttsa helped change the

543
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,919
uap conversation and take it to the

544
00:19:00,310 --> 00:18:57,919
mainstream in a more credible way

545
00:19:02,310 --> 00:19:00,320
unidentified was a fat was a fantastic

546
00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:02,320
way to reboot a subject that had become

547
00:19:06,390 --> 00:19:04,640
tired and cliche i know low now

548
00:19:08,150 --> 00:19:06,400
denounces ufo attainment but this is

549
00:19:10,470 --> 00:19:08,160
this show that entertain as well as

550
00:19:12,789 --> 00:19:10,480
inform all the bell bringing the subject

551
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:12,799
uh more to the open tom is instrumental

552
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,960
in bringing that all together

553
00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:16,559
it's hard to balance entertainment and

554
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,480
educational values of our production but

555
00:19:22,310 --> 00:19:20,080
it can be done i like to think we try

556
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:22,320
and do that as well to be fair

557
00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:24,240
in fact we need much more of it to

558
00:19:28,470 --> 00:19:26,480
educate an uninformed public then we

559
00:19:31,270 --> 00:19:28,480
might see more activism and pressure on

560
00:19:32,630 --> 00:19:31,280
elected officials yeah good point alex

561
00:19:34,789 --> 00:19:32,640
um

562
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:34,799
there is that balance of entertainment

563
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:35,520
and

564
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,320
could be really dry dan we're getting to

565
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:42,000
the two-year point now the podcast if

566
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:42,880
every

567
00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:45,039
single thing was the same and monotoned

568
00:19:48,390 --> 00:19:47,120
and almost like a newscast but i get

569
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:48,400
those people listening to this to take

570
00:19:51,830 --> 00:19:50,080
away information there's people

571
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,840
listening to these shows particularly

572
00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:54,080
for that debate and to hear our thoughts

573
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,080
on things and there are people who just

574
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,840
listen to this subject like like i

575
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,840
listen to various other subjects just

576
00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:01,600
for the for the entertainment aspect of

577
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,000
it and an escape and a release and as

578
00:20:06,789 --> 00:20:06,080
things pick up maybe get more involved

579
00:20:08,549 --> 00:20:06,799
but

580
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:08,559
that's just the nature of this subject

581
00:20:11,750 --> 00:20:10,080
and kind of where we're at with it and

582
00:20:13,909 --> 00:20:11,760
there's no harm in people taking any of

583
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,919
those things away from from any content

584
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:15,679
they're consuming in this topic i've

585
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:18,320
said before i've got my proper guilty

586
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:19,760
pleasures when it comes to the ufo

587
00:20:25,110 --> 00:20:22,240
subject i still want to do my antarctica

588
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:25,120
episode or show i really want to do that

589
00:20:29,430 --> 00:20:27,280
um you've got the whole dark side of the

590
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:29,440
moon stuff which is really interesting

591
00:20:33,750 --> 00:20:30,880
i've said in the past that i used to

592
00:20:35,029 --> 00:20:33,760
listen to things like um oh android e

593
00:20:38,070 --> 00:20:35,039
basiago

594
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:38,080
who has given some fantastically long

595
00:20:43,909 --> 00:20:40,640
youtube talks he did in the past on

596
00:20:45,510 --> 00:20:43,919
apparently being a a like a not a jumper

597
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,520
but he could teleport to mars with the

598
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:47,840
us government basically and he claimed

599
00:20:50,470 --> 00:20:49,600
to know obama who could do the same

600
00:20:53,190 --> 00:20:50,480
thing

601
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:53,200
president barack obama that is um

602
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:55,360
and you know what it's a fantastic story

603
00:20:59,590 --> 00:20:57,520
to listen to he's very engaging and

604
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:59,600
engrossing but for me that's where it

605
00:21:03,990 --> 00:21:02,480
stopped i never truly believed that mr

606
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:04,000
andrew de basiago if you want to look

607
00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:04,799
him up

608
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,640
had actually done those things but it

609
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,320
was always that one percent in the back

610
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:10,080
of my head that made me go

611
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:12,320
yeah but imagine he had

612
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:13,200
like

613
00:21:17,990 --> 00:21:16,640
that would be incredible um and that one

614
00:21:20,149 --> 00:21:18,000
percent down i'm sure when you invested

615
00:21:22,630 --> 00:21:20,159
your money into ttsa but what if they

616
00:21:24,950 --> 00:21:22,640
did create an anti-gravity spacecraft

617
00:21:27,029 --> 00:21:24,960
and some of my money went towards the

618
00:21:28,470 --> 00:21:27,039
payment i mean if if they'd have done

619
00:21:29,990 --> 00:21:28,480
that i would have been over the moon

620
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:30,000
because i invested on the ground floor

621
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:32,480
of boeing essentially but that was never

622
00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,679
really

623
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,520
on the table for me

624
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,880
and and you could have literally been

625
00:21:40,390 --> 00:21:38,320
over the moon with an anti-gravity

626
00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:40,400
spacecraft so yeah i had to get that in

627
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:43,360
there um louise says ttsa will forever

628
00:21:47,669 --> 00:21:45,200
hold a place in history it was the spark

629
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:47,679
that started the fire actually tom was a

630
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,440
spark i have feelings he's not finished

631
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:51,679
yet he has uh he's a dynamite or a

632
00:21:55,590 --> 00:21:54,080
dynamo it might have been auto corrected

633
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:55,600
so yeah um

634
00:22:03,510 --> 00:21:58,000
cj asks dan i'll put this to you first

635
00:22:07,909 --> 00:22:03,520
did ttsa over promise and under deliver

636
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,919
probably just in the sense that

637
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:10,320
tom's part of that press conference was

638
00:22:14,310 --> 00:22:12,559
very sales pitchy

639
00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,320
you know he he was the guy setting up

640
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:16,080
the business side of things whilst

641
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,600
everyone else got to do what they were

642
00:22:20,950 --> 00:22:18,960
going to do anyway which was investigate

643
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,960
uap they could just do it professionally

644
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,720
through tom's company

645
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,559
so yeah it

646
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:27,039
i think there was some over promise in

647
00:22:31,110 --> 00:22:29,039
the the under deliverance is more

648
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,120
debatable part i think because

649
00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:33,280
as you know i've i'm very much honest

650
00:22:38,710 --> 00:22:35,360
about this that i think they

651
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,720
were a spark that changed the world

652
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,480
but not everyone feels that way

653
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:42,000
some people wanted that anti-gravity

654
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:44,000
spaceship or you know some hard evidence

655
00:22:47,909 --> 00:22:45,440
from them and as much as we got a bunch

656
00:22:49,830 --> 00:22:47,919
of those videos and a great series and a

657
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,840
whole bunch of other things from them

658
00:22:55,190 --> 00:22:52,000
we you know we weren't given raw data

659
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:55,200
and you know the the proper data from

660
00:22:59,669 --> 00:22:56,880
the princeton and the nimitz and all of

661
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,679
the videos that kind of came out um

662
00:23:04,470 --> 00:23:01,679
they they were lacking some context that

663
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:04,480
i think a lot of skeptics or debunkers

664
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,919
have latched on to

665
00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:08,720
so under delivering there i would say

666
00:23:12,310 --> 00:23:10,159
i mean let's say

667
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:12,320
tom doesn't leave blink 182

668
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,679
and

669
00:23:17,190 --> 00:23:15,840
there's no to the stars academy of arts

670
00:23:18,870 --> 00:23:17,200
and science to the stars might have

671
00:23:20,950 --> 00:23:18,880
still been a thing with the different

672
00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:20,960
series entertainment divisions that tom

673
00:23:25,270 --> 00:23:22,400
is interested in

674
00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,280
but say he keeps his interest in ufos to

675
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:27,440
purely i'll write some songs about it

676
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:29,280
and chat about it with mates but that's

677
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,240
it

678
00:23:34,789 --> 00:23:32,000
where do you think we are

679
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:34,799
now like more than likely i'm not doing

680
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:36,799
this podcast i know that probably for a

681
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:38,159
fact

682
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,919
where do you think the conversation is

683
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:41,279
do you think there's been any movement

684
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:42,799
at all from

685
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,039
the 90s even or the 80s

686
00:23:49,269 --> 00:23:47,279
i mean the fact that ttsa

687
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:49,279
whether people support them or not

688
00:23:52,230 --> 00:23:50,640
they're on people's ellipses as to

689
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,240
whether they change the world and just

690
00:23:56,630 --> 00:23:54,960
even having to ask that question

691
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,640
you know like say it's arguable that

692
00:24:00,630 --> 00:23:58,240
they did but if you've got to ask the

693
00:24:02,630 --> 00:24:00,640
question then they probably have had

694
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,640
some kind of impact

695
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,520
yeah i think that's a fair point like

696
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,360
there's a lot happened and i think this

697
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,640
is something that's come up in the last

698
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,400
couple of weeks where you know a lot of

699
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,080
stuff happened in the world of social

700
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:13,919
media with ufos and everything we won't

701
00:24:18,630 --> 00:24:15,360
go into

702
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:18,640
everyone's bored of that now but a lot

703
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:20,400
of people started a lot of shows and

704
00:24:24,549 --> 00:24:22,080
podcasts and

705
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,559
journalists got involved in this

706
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,640
talk this conversation and topic like

707
00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:28,480
leslie kane ralph blumenthal let's name

708
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,360
those

709
00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:31,200
who who probably wouldn't have an

710
00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:32,960
interest in it to even report on the

711
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:35,760
subject had to the stars academy

712
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,320
not come about and started the process

713
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,320
that got certain individuals out of

714
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,240
roles and and to

715
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:44,080
into whatever to the stars academy was

716
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:45,440
meant to be

717
00:24:49,909 --> 00:24:47,679
regardless if it came to fruition the

718
00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:49,919
way expected to maybe they all had

719
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:52,400
different plans for it anyway and maybe

720
00:24:55,830 --> 00:24:53,760
different individuals within to the

721
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:55,840
stars academy got what they wanted from

722
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,640
ttsa i think lewis can i hand i'm going

723
00:25:02,149 --> 00:25:00,799
to paraphrase badly said as much that

724
00:25:04,470 --> 00:25:02,159
there would have been no one identified

725
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:04,480
season 3 because

726
00:25:07,269 --> 00:25:05,919
tourist stars academy and what they

727
00:25:08,789 --> 00:25:07,279
wanted to achieve

728
00:25:10,789 --> 00:25:08,799
had achieved what they needed to so

729
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:10,799
himself and chris mellon felt the best

730
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:12,720
thing for them to do was go else where

731
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:14,799
anybody whether that's exactly true or

732
00:25:20,149 --> 00:25:18,240
not only they would know but maybe jim

733
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:20,159
semivan wanted something from hal put

734
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,000
off wanted something from it tommed

735
00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:24,240
along wanted something from it

736
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,039
so

737
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,960
it's a hard one but it's certainly like

738
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,600
you say change the conversation and for

739
00:25:32,549 --> 00:25:30,960
me it changed it in a really positive

740
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,559
way in a big way as well

741
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:34,480
i'm really sorry if anyone did invest

742
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,679
and lose

743
00:25:41,430 --> 00:25:38,720
money on what they felt was that over

744
00:25:43,269 --> 00:25:41,440
promise because that's a totally fair

745
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:43,279
and rational position to come at you

746
00:25:46,470 --> 00:25:44,960
might be like dan and many other people

747
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:46,480
who commented to say

748
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,080
it's been money well spent they were

749
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,320
happy to invest because they feel they

750
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,240
got what they wanted from it other

751
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:53,840
people are happy to invest with the idea

752
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,600
that you know what if i lose i lose it

753
00:25:59,990 --> 00:25:57,760
i'm intrigued other people no don't put

754
00:26:01,990 --> 00:26:00,000
money in hoping for you know that those

755
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,000
big promises that really never came to

756
00:26:06,070 --> 00:26:04,559
fruition in a sense so um

757
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,080
hopefully you know that monsters in

758
00:26:09,590 --> 00:26:07,840
california movie gives us something a

759
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,600
little bit more as of a legacy

760
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:11,279
potentially from to the stars and and

761
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:12,559
what it's going to be going forward

762
00:26:15,430 --> 00:26:14,240
because it has been pretty quiet on that

763
00:26:16,310 --> 00:26:15,440
front from them

764
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,320
um

765
00:26:20,230 --> 00:26:18,640
brenter said hi really enjoyed part two

766
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,240
a few random thoughts and some of these

767
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,840
we've kind of touched on but then we can

768
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:23,919
fire through quickly um do we know how

769
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,559
ttsa was funded yeah it was a stock

770
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:28,400
issue um

771
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,520
um also they they had agreements to lend

772
00:26:36,070 --> 00:26:33,840
money from tom delong who has various

773
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:36,080
llc's set up to you know to manage his

774
00:26:39,909 --> 00:26:37,679
rights and things like that so they were

775
00:26:41,669 --> 00:26:39,919
given things like image rights and

776
00:26:43,269 --> 00:26:41,679
portions of that and that money got paid

777
00:26:45,990 --> 00:26:43,279
back to tom or canceled off over the

778
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,000
years you can look it in the sec filings

779
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:48,400
um did the main players get paid and by

780
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:49,520
who

781
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:51,360
by the main players i'm guessing we're

782
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,640
thinking

783
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:54,559
louis zondo chris mellon jim say my van

784
00:27:00,149 --> 00:26:57,600
help it off steve justice tom delong um

785
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,159
i i don't doubt that any and all took

786
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,320
some kind of payment from it they

787
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,720
they were working for part of that

788
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:06,960
company it wasn't a volunteer position i

789
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:08,640
don't think that was ever claimed either

790
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:09,520
which would have been a different

791
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:12,559
conversation but they were doing a job

792
00:27:17,110 --> 00:27:14,480
those figures are definitely on the sec

793
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:17,120
filing as well um so if you just search

794
00:27:22,310 --> 00:27:20,399
ttsa sec on google it should take you to

795
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:22,320
the investor page and all the file into

796
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:23,520
there and you can see what people were

797
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,399
paid

798
00:27:28,630 --> 00:27:26,880
yeah um next up uh same from brenter i

799
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,640
wonder who did the organizing behind the

800
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,039
scenes pulling things together for ttsa

801
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,520
it's often not those on the stage and i

802
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:35,120
think we've sort of addressed that and

803
00:27:37,750 --> 00:27:36,559
there are other people involved with the

804
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,760
company and dan you talk about the

805
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,520
failings that's the kind of stuff that

806
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:41,840
bores me but you can see names of people

807
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:44,240
in their salaries people got and the

808
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,600
different roles that people had within

809
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:47,520
those companies i suppose if you go look

810
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:49,919
at two of the stars now you'll see names

811
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:53,200
like tom de long and like you said uh

812
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,840
is it hal that's still part of the

813
00:27:59,190 --> 00:27:57,600
scientific advisory board he done the

814
00:28:01,350 --> 00:27:59,200
interview with tom delong on brian

815
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:01,360
keating's show uh with cut joy mungo

816
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,559
doing the helping out with that one as

817
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,000
well a while ago really good interview

818
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,320
if you want to go and check it out um

819
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,919
but there are other people still

820
00:28:11,350 --> 00:28:09,760
involved as well who who run the company

821
00:28:13,350 --> 00:28:11,360
and do that kind of organizational side

822
00:28:15,350 --> 00:28:13,360
of things as well it's it's a sizeable

823
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,360
company

824
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:16,799
yeah like there's a decent amount of

825
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:19,200
people there um they downsized you know

826
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:20,559
just for cast and they they didn't need

827
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:22,640
the storefront when the pandemic was

828
00:28:25,830 --> 00:28:23,760
happening because no one could go in

829
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:25,840
makes sense uh but one of the people

830
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,880
behind the scenes that doesn't get

831
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,880
talked about much is carried along and

832
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:30,320
that's tom's sister and she's been with

833
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:31,840
him through various different companies

834
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:33,679
like atticus macbeth

835
00:28:38,470 --> 00:28:37,360
so on so forth um mod life

836
00:28:39,590 --> 00:28:38,480
there's a lot there's a lot of different

837
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,600
companies that he's done but she's

838
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,679
always been there as marketing and comms

839
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,440
so chances are if someone's been trying

840
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,840
to email ttsa through press that's who

841
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,000
they would have got was tom's sister

842
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:50,559
i i know carrie personally as if we have

843
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,559
interest we will follow up

844
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:54,480
carried along

845
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,600
and no follow-up um

846
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,399
yeah i got that from her at least um

847
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:02,000
brenta finished up saying overall it

848
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,520
feels to me like they have moved things

849
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,360
forward and perhaps helped change the

850
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,679
world and loving the deep dives into

851
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,039
this it really helps me put things into

852
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,039
context and understanding the journey so

853
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,360
far so thank you thank you ubenta helps

854
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,200
us as well and i'm sorry it's been so

855
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,279
long since the last one we'll strive in

856
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,799
the next what seven days to get part

857
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,440
three recorded and put out as well um

858
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:23,360
it's just the last two months has been

859
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:26,640
hectic for both of us um lefty what is

860
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,480
puzzling for me is that there is little

861
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,240
to no talk about the whereabouts of the

862
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,640
longer gimbal video i cannot believe

863
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,240
that any crew would stop filming during

864
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,799
the encounter so does lou or anyone else

865
00:29:42,230 --> 00:29:39,440
on ttsa know if it exists

866
00:29:43,830 --> 00:29:42,240
i think we know by now i mean lefty

867
00:29:45,590 --> 00:29:43,840
obviously from your question

868
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:45,600
you won't have heard these said in other

869
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:47,679
interviews but all those videos that

870
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:50,880
were shot we were showing what could be

871
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:53,840
released under a declassified setting

872
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:55,679
there are

873
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:00,630
more to the start of some of those

874
00:30:03,990 --> 00:30:02,880
videos potentially i think a lot of them

875
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:04,000
we assume it's the beginning of the

876
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:06,080
video don't we and uh you don't know

877
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:07,840
that there's not stuff before it you

878
00:30:11,590 --> 00:30:09,520
know and all we're getting to see is a

879
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,600
little portion in the middle um but

880
00:30:15,830 --> 00:30:13,600
there certainly would seem to be i think

881
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,840
with the gimbal i mean it's speculative

882
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:18,480
but cards on the table uh um when it

883
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:20,399
rotates you know

884
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,720
whatever camp you're in with that yeah

885
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:24,640
i'm going to presume as dan's just done

886
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,720
if you're on the youtube that it shoots

887
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,919
away

888
00:30:32,710 --> 00:30:30,240
at an incredible speed because as bob

889
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,720
lazar discussed some years ago

890
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:34,240
these are oh you know what no no no

891
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,559
we're wrong and this is actually a good

892
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:38,000
catch i'm glad that this is in the show

893
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,440
because ryan graves actually opened up

894
00:30:44,310 --> 00:30:41,200
about this didn't he and he explained

895
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:44,320
that the you you had that v formation

896
00:30:49,269 --> 00:30:46,080
going around and the gimbal was part of

897
00:30:50,950 --> 00:30:49,279
that moving kind of jarringly and as the

898
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:50,960
v formation came out of the delta

899
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,120
formation came round the thing rotated

900
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,600
and then rejoined them uh moving along

901
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,000
so it didn't shoot off there you go i

902
00:31:01,430 --> 00:31:00,080
always started dead ryan gray's been a

903
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:01,440
pilot by the way or one of the

904
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,720
highlights they debrief the person that

905
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:05,039
filmed the video bob lazar had talked

906
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:07,360
about obviously that these objects tend

907
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,000
to fly at speed on their side which is

908
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:12,159
why saucers can look shaky when they're

909
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:13,600
apparently hovering still that's

910
00:31:17,029 --> 00:31:15,760
something bob lazar's talked about um i

911
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,039
think a little bit again like

912
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:18,640
independence day when the thing's just

913
00:31:22,789 --> 00:31:20,720
hovering it's a bit jerky and movements

914
00:31:25,110 --> 00:31:22,799
are about uncertain because they're made

915
00:31:27,669 --> 00:31:25,120
to move and at pace and in different

916
00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:27,679
environments um so that's an interesting

917
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,440
concept and idea but

918
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:30,960
for me that is to do with the

919
00:31:34,070 --> 00:31:32,559
classification of the the rest of those

920
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,080
videos

921
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,799
it's only my opinion i would presume

922
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:38,399
like you say that the video we saw of

923
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,720
that that one object whether it's this

924
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,320
it looks a bit like a saucer with a dome

925
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:43,919
doesn't it potentially

926
00:31:48,630 --> 00:31:46,960
if it is that classic saucer and in that

927
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,640
video you could see more of these

928
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,039
objects and there were formations and

929
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:52,720
you could see these things leave at the

930
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:54,000
incredible rates of speed that they

931
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,279
apparently do

932
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:56,640
down the line

933
00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,320
that would be totally game changing but

934
00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,039
right now it's it's i've always used the

935
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:03,760
phrase it's boring and ambiguous enough

936
00:32:07,750 --> 00:32:04,880
to be

937
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:07,760
interesting but not game changing and

938
00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:09,200
that's that's what we've got and it's

939
00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:10,640
all to do with the classifications and

940
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,240
it's it's it's annoying and it's

941
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,799
frustrating but it's what we're kind of

942
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:17,279
hoping then let's be honest we are long

943
00:32:21,669 --> 00:32:19,519
overdue and this is something i spoke to

944
00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,679
sean cahill about on the discord live

945
00:32:25,509 --> 00:32:23,519
chat when we've done that um a few weeks

946
00:32:26,789 --> 00:32:25,519
ago and i think a few people mentioned

947
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:26,799
you know are we going to get some new

948
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,480
stuff this year and sean said yeah but i

949
00:32:31,350 --> 00:32:29,760
would hope so

950
00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:31,360
like i'm not saying sean was coming from

951
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:32,559
a place of knowledge with that but i

952
00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,559
think even he was acknowledging it's

953
00:32:39,430 --> 00:32:37,279
it's been a while you know the for no

954
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:39,440
footage no photographs is it going to be

955
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,960
a black triangle coming out the ocean

956
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:43,600
who knows is it going to be additional

957
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:45,120
footage from what we already have who

958
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,640
knows if it's something totally

959
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:48,480
different which i would love then then

960
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,679
great but

961
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:51,360
it's one of those things that

962
00:32:53,590 --> 00:32:52,640
whatever's happening in the background

963
00:32:55,269 --> 00:32:53,600
right now

964
00:32:57,110 --> 00:32:55,279
we can only hope things start to come

965
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:57,120
out and if you're if you're really

966
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:58,640
patriotic and american you probably

967
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:01,120
don't want leaks happening um i get

968
00:33:04,389 --> 00:33:02,559
that's something that people like louis

969
00:33:06,149 --> 00:33:04,399
lozando and others of especially those

970
00:33:08,389 --> 00:33:06,159
with a military background have not

971
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,399
wanted things to leak because it's an

972
00:33:11,590 --> 00:33:09,840
official process and all that kind of

973
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,600
stuff but if you're just a fan of the

974
00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:14,559
ufo subject then you want you want

975
00:33:18,310 --> 00:33:16,320
president biden to slip up in an address

976
00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:18,320
and go ah if one of those aliens were

977
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,600
here today you know what you want

978
00:33:22,470 --> 00:33:21,039
something you would take anything that's

979
00:33:24,230 --> 00:33:22,480
that's why you enjoy the subject that's

980
00:33:25,990 --> 00:33:24,240
why you love it and the mystery and

981
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:26,000
anything you can put together for that

982
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:27,919
that thousand piece puzzle that we

983
00:33:31,909 --> 00:33:29,679
talked about i really i really hope that

984
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,919
the the next uap report come in on

985
00:33:35,350 --> 00:33:34,240
halloween that we'll see i really hope

986
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,360
that

987
00:33:40,470 --> 00:33:37,679
it's not just the same again i

988
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,480
i hope that we get a video or picture or

989
00:33:44,230 --> 00:33:42,000
you know just a little

990
00:33:46,070 --> 00:33:44,240
a little more transparency on it where

991
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,080
we can look to those reports every year

992
00:33:50,630 --> 00:33:48,320
coming forward you know and

993
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,640
see them as

994
00:33:53,909 --> 00:33:52,399
actually substantial instead of arguing

995
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:53,919
over them you know it would be great if

996
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,440
that that communications channel was

997
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,519
really shored up for the future and

998
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:59,360
based on you know the general brand

999
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,600
amendment you know rubio warner all

1000
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:03,600
those people talking about this the bar

1001
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,120
seems to be going up and up and up and

1002
00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:06,399
up for what they expect from these

1003
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:08,960
reports as well so i'm excited to see uh

1004
00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:10,800
yeah i think there are there are 60 this

1005
00:34:15,589 --> 00:34:13,119
year but only one that we get to see

1006
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,599
and and let's be fair i i'm going to

1007
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:17,520
that's a good a good point you make dan

1008
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,800
but we'll get to see one however we keep

1009
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:22,399
saying we want more and more officials

1010
00:34:26,149 --> 00:34:24,079
to be involved in this

1011
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,159
if this subject right now is is

1012
00:34:32,470 --> 00:34:28,720
classified by things that are being done

1013
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,480
and being had by 10 people that's a

1014
00:34:37,510 --> 00:34:34,720
fairly small group maybe gillibrand

1015
00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:37,520
rubio warner you know whoever else might

1016
00:34:40,389 --> 00:34:38,639
be involved

1017
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,399
and maybe they keep that tight in

1018
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,800
between them but once you start getting

1019
00:34:46,149 --> 00:34:44,159
more and more people involved and it

1020
00:34:47,669 --> 00:34:46,159
becomes 30 or 40 or 50 senators

1021
00:34:49,589 --> 00:34:47,679
congressmen and women

1022
00:34:51,510 --> 00:34:49,599
people in the uk involved australia

1023
00:34:53,829 --> 00:34:51,520
start to see these things the more

1024
00:34:56,629 --> 00:34:53,839
people involved the more likely someone

1025
00:34:58,790 --> 00:34:56,639
slips up or something comes out so it's

1026
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,800
probably to our benefit that more and

1027
00:35:03,589 --> 00:35:00,880
more elected officials do get involved

1028
00:35:05,270 --> 00:35:03,599
because human nature folks will play a

1029
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:05,280
big part in some of their stuff getting

1030
00:35:07,270 --> 00:35:06,320
out

1031
00:35:09,829 --> 00:35:07,280
and

1032
00:35:11,270 --> 00:35:09,839
this is funded till 2026 as well so i

1033
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:11,280
can imagine between now and then

1034
00:35:14,390 --> 00:35:12,720
someone's going to say hey why are we

1035
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:14,400
spending all this money on this uap

1036
00:35:19,349 --> 00:35:17,040
stuff and they're gonna have to present

1037
00:35:21,030 --> 00:35:19,359
the reasons why publicly this is a

1038
00:35:22,630 --> 00:35:21,040
compelling thing maybe that's where we

1039
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:22,640
start getting those public hearings when

1040
00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,640
someone's asking why how is this that

1041
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,640
you can spend the money here

1042
00:35:31,270 --> 00:35:29,680
100 percent um next up paul are says i'd

1043
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,280
like to know your thoughts on why you

1044
00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:33,359
think tom delonge has gone relatively

1045
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:36,400
quiet on the subject dan

1046
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:37,280
uh

1047
00:35:42,870 --> 00:35:41,119
you look on his instagram that's

1048
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,880
literally what he's doing they they had

1049
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:45,119
the planning permission before kovid but

1050
00:35:48,150 --> 00:35:46,240
they couldn't get started because of

1051
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,160
kovid that house was meant to be a film

1052
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:50,640
studio for him and stuff has music

1053
00:35:55,349 --> 00:35:53,920
production facilities so he's basically

1054
00:35:56,829 --> 00:35:55,359
building that getting that up and

1055
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:56,839
running and i

1056
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,440
imagine uh he's writing a script as well

1057
00:36:03,270 --> 00:36:01,359
a baseball script that has no et stuff

1058
00:36:04,630 --> 00:36:03,280
in it but i imagine that he's just

1059
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:04,640
putting his time and energy into getting

1060
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,560
that home base set up and the creative

1061
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:08,400
projects rolling so when it is set up he

1062
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:10,320
can make them there i'll i'll play

1063
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:11,680
devil's advocate and hold your feet to

1064
00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,240
the fire dan as a tom delong fan here

1065
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:16,240
he wasn't too busy building a house or

1066
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,760
writing a script when he was doing loads

1067
00:36:21,990 --> 00:36:20,000
of interviews on a press tour last year

1068
00:36:23,910 --> 00:36:22,000
for people who were instagrammers and

1069
00:36:27,109 --> 00:36:23,920
tech talkers and bloggers

1070
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,119
all about music i i know personally at

1071
00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,359
least one journalist he spoke to

1072
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,000
and it was all about music

1073
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,640
um which was that they were told it was

1074
00:36:38,230 --> 00:36:36,000
to be about music and i know people

1075
00:36:39,990 --> 00:36:38,240
tried to slip ufo questions and

1076
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:40,000
he's never done anything like that in

1077
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,320
what the last two years at least since i

1078
00:36:45,270 --> 00:36:43,760
started this

1079
00:36:47,510 --> 00:36:45,280
to

1080
00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,520
other than the brian keating interview

1081
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,560
um that i'm aware of um he's not even

1082
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,480
done jimmy church has a for who was a

1083
00:36:56,310 --> 00:36:54,240
go-to of his for a couple of years no he

1084
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,320
hasn't done that for a while so other

1085
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:58,240
than that one brian keating interview

1086
00:37:02,390 --> 00:37:00,000
which i would and this isn't me saying

1087
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:02,400
tom delong come on that ufo podcast

1088
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:03,440
comes along

1089
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,480
yeah please do um go and do another good

1090
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:08,800
interview if it's with a cut dry mungo

1091
00:37:12,390 --> 00:37:09,680
or

1092
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:12,400
if it's with brian keating again you

1093
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,839
know be more open if you want to get

1094
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:16,079
back on rogan no doubt big platform

1095
00:37:18,470 --> 00:37:17,359
would be great but

1096
00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:18,480
i would like to hear him come out and

1097
00:37:21,910 --> 00:37:19,760
talk about it and address some of these

1098
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,920
questions and

1099
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,119
again i think it's something that i

1100
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,480
spoke to george knapp about when i

1101
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:26,240
interviewed george and

1102
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:27,760
he he didn't feel

1103
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:29,920
tommed along owed necessarily people

1104
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:32,880
explanations etc i i would disagree i

1105
00:37:36,069 --> 00:37:34,880
think when you see the the amount of

1106
00:37:37,829 --> 00:37:36,079
questions like this people getting

1107
00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,839
involved and the small percentage of

1108
00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,760
people who are involved in the ufo topic

1109
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,280
who listen to this

1110
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:42,800
just the the kind of outpouring of

1111
00:37:47,510 --> 00:37:45,520
emotion and curiosity and from either

1112
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:47,520
side of the fence people still have

1113
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,599
i think tom does kinda deserve to come

1114
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,119
out and give the community at least a

1115
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:53,280
conversation on the topic i mean i've

1116
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:54,720
just said his name george knapp

1117
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:57,200
interview tom delong there you go

1118
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:58,800
that that would that would be good for

1119
00:38:02,630 --> 00:38:00,960
me yeah their interviews are always uh

1120
00:38:05,589 --> 00:38:02,640
excellent joe george is a great

1121
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,599
interviewer i i'd like him to go on some

1122
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:08,560
platforms that will ask tough questions

1123
00:38:11,990 --> 00:38:10,000
when he goes and speaks about music

1124
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:12,000
somewhere say for example with zayn low

1125
00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,760
that was a great interview tom did with

1126
00:38:18,069 --> 00:38:15,599
zane lowe speaking about music and then

1127
00:38:19,750 --> 00:38:18,079
zane at the end gets some uap questions

1128
00:38:21,430 --> 00:38:19,760
in and some stuff about consciousness

1129
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:21,440
and creativity and it's really

1130
00:38:25,670 --> 00:38:23,680
interesting but zane doesn't really know

1131
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:25,680
enough to hold his feet to the fire on

1132
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:26,960
some things and to say wait can you

1133
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:29,839
expand on that because i heard xyz or

1134
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,000
you know just really dive in i'd i'd

1135
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:34,000
love to see tom just sit with someone

1136
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:35,520
until the audience was blue in the face

1137
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:36,960
from asking questions you know just

1138
00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,920
completely span everything answered um

1139
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:41,599
and yeah i'm sure there's some real

1140
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:44,079
interesting stories from from ttsa and

1141
00:38:47,990 --> 00:38:46,400
in the background especially the stuff

1142
00:38:49,589 --> 00:38:48,000
before ttsa got off the ground with

1143
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:49,599
wikileaks

1144
00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:51,839
a couple more questions to go and i'm

1145
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,680
going to say adam who was one of the

1146
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:55,760
final questions that was a very similar

1147
00:38:59,430 --> 00:38:57,200
question we've just answered there so

1148
00:39:02,950 --> 00:38:59,440
thank you for yours um consider it

1149
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:02,960
answered and ben says in my opinion ttsa

1150
00:39:07,109 --> 00:39:04,800
started a mass conversation that no one

1151
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,119
wanted to have within the ranks of the

1152
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:09,440
military and intelligence communities

1153
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,960
with the help of others of course but

1154
00:39:15,109 --> 00:39:12,960
without tom's crazy ideas we may not

1155
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:15,119
have been so lucky we'll never know and

1156
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:16,960
there's no going back now

1157
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:19,280
fair statement to the crazy ones i guess

1158
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:23,440
yeah um roxy sanchez says cool name

1159
00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:26,560
why does uh tom refer to them the others

1160
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:32,870
i mean that that's interesting

1161
00:39:40,390 --> 00:39:37,829
they

1162
00:39:42,550 --> 00:39:40,400
i read that as basically nip and nipping

1163
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:42,560
at our ankles as in they need us for

1164
00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,520
something

1165
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:46,960
it's not just that you know where

1166
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:48,880
we're gonna be learning from them

1167
00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:50,880
there's like this maybe this symbiotic

1168
00:39:56,150 --> 00:39:53,680
relationship where we're gonna pull

1169
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,160
the others along with us when you know

1170
00:39:59,829 --> 00:39:57,839
me maybe

1171
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:59,839
it gets into speculation here a lot but

1172
00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,680
i'm just wondering before just before

1173
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,040
just to give you a little because roxy

1174
00:40:06,710 --> 00:40:04,880
followed up saying also in earlier

1175
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:06,720
interviews with rogan and others he

1176
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:08,720
seemed very concerned about how uap fed

1177
00:40:12,710 --> 00:40:10,880
on negative human energy why has that

1178
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,720
not been further investigated i think

1179
00:40:17,349 --> 00:40:15,119
like you say though you can't not go

1180
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,359
into pure speculation territory when you

1181
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:19,520
start talking about

1182
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,200
imagine

1183
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,400
and i'm sorry if you're listening to

1184
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,400
this after the last weekend you're not a

1185
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,760
loyalist on the fan i would have a right

1186
00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,160
but imagine he's the face of the subject

1187
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,640
right now in the mainstream for ufos so

1188
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:32,240
that's the way it's got to be

1189
00:40:38,550 --> 00:40:36,640
uh imagine loyola zondo sat on fox cnn

1190
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,560
abc whatever

1191
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,680
and

1192
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:41,520
someone asked him about you know ufos

1193
00:40:45,829 --> 00:40:43,520
come on lou i mean are these things

1194
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:45,839
really real and lou said you know what

1195
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,119
what if i told you that they feed on

1196
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:49,440
negative human energy

1197
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:51,119
that the public would be and that's not

1198
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,480
the public wouldn't go

1199
00:40:55,270 --> 00:40:53,760
oh my god

1200
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:55,280
most of the public would turn off at

1201
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:57,119
that point and be like nope thanks

1202
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,160
nonsense they they go to crystals and

1203
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,280
yeah

1204
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,960
it's too much of a jump in the

1205
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,640
conversation isn't it and it's still

1206
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,800
like how do you get from let's have a

1207
00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:08,640
chat about what is going on what these

1208
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:10,640
things might be let's forget aliens and

1209
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:11,760
we've got to the point we're getting the

1210
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,599
word aliens back into the conversation

1211
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,839
or non-human intelligence

1212
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:17,119
there's there's steps to this

1213
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,880
conversation that eventually you have to

1214
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:20,400
then get to

1215
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:22,160
potentially feeding on negative human

1216
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:23,280
energy and

1217
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:25,839
what is consciousness and you know

1218
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:27,040
different beings from different

1219
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,400
realities and you know what if one of

1220
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,160
these things is technically standing

1221
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,920
right next to you they're there but

1222
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:33,440
they're not there

1223
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:35,119
all these things alien abductions i

1224
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,480
suppose is one of the biggest ones that

1225
00:41:39,270 --> 00:41:38,000
would come into it that wait a minute

1226
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,280
these things are real have they been

1227
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:40,560
abducting people

1228
00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:42,319
you know how do you protect the public

1229
00:41:44,790 --> 00:41:43,839
against that if maybe it's something you

1230
00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:44,800
can't

1231
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,400
even then you go into the abduction

1232
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:48,319
phenomenon and start to talk about

1233
00:41:51,349 --> 00:41:50,160
actually it's not necessarily a physical

1234
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,359
abduction they can abduct your

1235
00:41:54,550 --> 00:41:52,800
consciousness and you can still be lying

1236
00:41:55,670 --> 00:41:54,560
in your bed

1237
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:55,680
how do you explain that to people when

1238
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:56,800
we don't have an answer for what

1239
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:58,640
consciousness is right exactly that's a

1240
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,160
really difficult conversation to have

1241
00:42:03,270 --> 00:42:01,920
and everything you just said we could

1242
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,280
change a few words in there and kind of

1243
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,440
say oh yeah there are electromagnetic

1244
00:42:08,710 --> 00:42:07,119
beings that exist on a separate part of

1245
00:42:09,990 --> 00:42:08,720
the frequency to us who can interact

1246
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,000
with us and feed off of our

1247
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:12,720
electromagnetic fields which we do have

1248
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:14,160
you know our hearts kind of have

1249
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,440
electricity and things like that our

1250
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:17,359
body and neurons run on this kind of

1251
00:42:22,069 --> 00:42:20,079
stuff so you can kind of use scientific

1252
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:22,079
words to get to the same place

1253
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,040
but it's

1254
00:42:26,870 --> 00:42:24,800
just speculation until we actually get

1255
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,880
there and we can read these things and

1256
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:28,240
you know maybe put on a pair of glasses

1257
00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,680
that allows us to see them or something

1258
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,680
like that i just wanted to add as well i

1259
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,440
kind of disparaged crystals a second ago

1260
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,960
i didn't mean

1261
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:37,119
to offend anyone that that liked that

1262
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,720
stuff i have a great piece of moldavite

1263
00:42:43,829 --> 00:42:40,560
and a bunch over there but i was just

1264
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,839
kind of alluding to the eye roll that

1265
00:42:47,430 --> 00:42:45,520
people who aren't into that stuff gives

1266
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,440
you when you start talking about it

1267
00:42:52,630 --> 00:42:50,480
folks make sure you um at the signal and

1268
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:52,640
direct all your hate uh

1269
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,720
towards that

1270
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:56,720
community i i will share a bunch of

1271
00:42:59,670 --> 00:42:58,640
pictures of the the rocks and crystals i

1272
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,680
have

1273
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:02,000
it's too late damage is done uh and you

1274
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:03,839
know what on that note folks one last

1275
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,319
point from osvaldo franco um oswaldo i

1276
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,240
believe is on or is going to be on

1277
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:10,240
vinnie adams podcast disclosure team

1278
00:43:14,309 --> 00:43:12,800
soon or has been on vinnie done about a

1279
00:43:16,150 --> 00:43:14,319
run of interviews and i can't remember

1280
00:43:18,230 --> 00:43:16,160
if he's done those yet or that's still

1281
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:18,240
to come up and but he leaves us with the

1282
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:19,920
comment that absolutely to the stars

1283
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,640
academy changed the world without ttsa

1284
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,560
we wouldn't have louis lozando or chris

1285
00:43:28,150 --> 00:43:26,400
melon or sean cahill

1286
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:28,160
um he doesn't think there would be a uf4

1287
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,800
uap twitter in the state it is now

1288
00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:32,800
that it could be good or a bad thing

1289
00:43:35,430 --> 00:43:34,079
depending on kind of

1290
00:43:37,270 --> 00:43:35,440
the last few weeks

1291
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:37,280
um and all the stuff that's coming

1292
00:43:41,109 --> 00:43:39,040
including possible congressional

1293
00:43:43,270 --> 00:43:41,119
hearings all came from tom delong and to

1294
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,280
the stars academy he and they aren't

1295
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:45,599
given enough credit i'm an investor and

1296
00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,240
it's the best money i ever spent so

1297
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,160
again osvaldo great comment thank you

1298
00:43:56,069 --> 00:43:53,680
very much for that um for me i'll leave

1299
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,079
my full overall opinions till

1300
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:58,319
till we get to the final episode part

1301
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,079
three may or may not be it we'll see

1302
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:02,000
where we get to um but then of course

1303
00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:04,079
we'll finish off with another part 3.5

1304
00:44:07,990 --> 00:44:06,160
at least anyway and get your thoughts

1305
00:44:09,430 --> 00:44:08,000
and ideas i think we thought this was

1306
00:44:12,069 --> 00:44:09,440
going to be two parts before we started

1307
00:44:13,910 --> 00:44:12,079
right yeah

1308
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,920
so much yeah i think when i was writing

1309
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:15,520
part one i was like oh god there's so

1310
00:44:19,910 --> 00:44:16,800
much even before we even get to

1311
00:44:21,190 --> 00:44:19,920
unidentified and yeah so i'll just wait

1312
00:44:22,630 --> 00:44:21,200
and see let's see what happens part

1313
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:22,640
three will be out in the next week or so

1314
00:44:26,870 --> 00:44:25,680
definitely before the end of march um

1315
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:26,880
we have

1316
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,280
uh right away we are going to record the

1317
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,079
listener ama which is exclusive to if

1318
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:34,400
you're on a patreon if you're on apple

1319
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,800
spotify if you're on youtube hi to

1320
00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:38,720
youtube that's been great recently dan

1321
00:44:41,910 --> 00:44:40,079
we've seen a lot more people coming on

1322
00:44:44,150 --> 00:44:41,920
board and again if you're watching on

1323
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,160
youtube we'll we'll wave to you

1324
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:45,520
anyone that came from uh theories of

1325
00:44:49,670 --> 00:44:47,280
everything as well yes thank you for

1326
00:44:51,670 --> 00:44:49,680
joining us over from kurt's channel um

1327
00:44:53,510 --> 00:44:51,680
regardless what pla platform you're on

1328
00:44:56,069 --> 00:44:53,520
and regardless what your support and

1329
00:44:58,950 --> 00:44:56,079
amount is you'll get access to the ama

1330
00:45:01,190 --> 00:44:58,960
um so please if you can support or want

1331
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:01,200
to um even if you really hate us and

1332
00:45:04,630 --> 00:45:02,720
want to give us money to deal with

1333
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,640
that's fine um sign up and you'll get

1334
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,480
access to the ama as well we've got six

1335
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,920
pages worth of questions which we'll

1336
00:45:11,589 --> 00:45:10,000
blast through it's pretty casual and

1337
00:45:13,750 --> 00:45:11,599
they go all over the place as well but

1338
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,760
we enjoy doing those now and again

1339
00:45:20,790 --> 00:45:16,720
this saturday the 26th of march in the

1340
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,800
uk 10 p.m uk and god the clocks changed

1341
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:22,720
recently daylight savings time i saw a

1342
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:24,079
big thing in the u.s about daylight

1343
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:25,599
savings time

1344
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:27,760
really confused me our clocks change on

1345
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:29,760
sunday but apparently

1346
00:45:35,589 --> 00:45:31,280
10 pm uk

1347
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:35,599
uh 6 p.m eastern and

1348
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:39,040
4 3 p.m pacific that should be correct

1349
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:40,800
for this saturday the 26th of march

1350
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,880
we're gonna do a live youtube show and

1351
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,960
we'll be taking people calling on i've

1352
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:46,800
just checked yeah that's correct

1353
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,800
eastern's now four hours behind us and

1354
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,119
pacific is now seven hours behind us and

1355
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:53,520
they used to be five and eight what what

1356
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:54,640
about

1357
00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:56,720
middle america a central time it's now

1358
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,160
five hours behind us nicely yeah i'm

1359
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:01,839
getting good very good and i'm really

1360
00:46:04,710 --> 00:46:02,960
sorry if you're anywhere else in the

1361
00:46:06,309 --> 00:46:04,720
world just now i know australia is about

1362
00:46:07,750 --> 00:46:06,319
12 hours because my dad loves her but

1363
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:07,760
bill guitar is the same time as east

1364
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:10,160
coast so we know uh columbia is there

1365
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:12,079
yeah we'll do it we'll talk about time

1366
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:13,680
tones and differences when we do the

1367
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:15,359
live but if you want to get involved

1368
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,960
we'll arrange it on the evening you can

1369
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:19,440
get a link to the live calling and get

1370
00:46:24,309 --> 00:46:22,000
involved if you want to email or send

1371
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:24,319
over a video file or audio snippet of

1372
00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:26,560
you asking us a question we can easily

1373
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,160
put that into the show as well if you

1374
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,240
don't have the time or you can't make it

1375
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:31,839
to be on the show with us live please

1376
00:46:34,710 --> 00:46:33,040
send us that and we'll play it and we'll

1377
00:46:35,910 --> 00:46:34,720
talk about it and answer it otherwise

1378
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:35,920
it'll just be us sitting talking

1379
00:46:40,150 --> 00:46:38,480
nonsense for for 45 minutes or an hour

1380
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:40,160
anyway which i'm sure we'll manage to do

1381
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:42,079
but yeah please please send those over

1382
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,440
i'll be a lot of fun to hear from people

1383
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:45,760
as well you can ask us about anything um

1384
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:50,480
ideally ufo related but go for it um dan

1385
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,319
that's pretty much us

1386
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:54,000
yeah that that's a that's a wrap there

1387
00:46:56,710 --> 00:46:55,440
for tom delong

1388
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,720
2.5

1389
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,720
yes couple of interviews on the horizon

1390
00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,960
as well jazz shaw joe murgia and rich

1391
00:47:04,950 --> 00:47:03,520
hoffman um just about to confirm final

1392
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:04,960
dates with a couple of those as well but

1393
00:47:08,630 --> 00:47:06,079
those will all be out in the coming

1394
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:08,640
weeks as well including your usual

1395
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:11,839
breakdown episodes and the ama will be

1396
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:13,680
available on all those paid platforms as

1397
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:16,079
well so thank you very much dan pleasure

1398
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,760
and i'll see you on the other side see

1399
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:19,520
you on the other side my friend

1400
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,520
of the recording

1401
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,599
that is all for this week's show thank

1402
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,599
you very much for listening please

1403
00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:27,599
remember to leave the podcast to review

1404
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,240
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1405
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:32,559
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1406
00:47:36,630 --> 00:47:34,480
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1407
00:47:38,150 --> 00:47:36,640
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1408
00:47:40,630 --> 00:47:38,160
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1409
00:47:43,349 --> 00:47:40,640
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1410
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,359
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1411
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,599
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1412
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,480
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1413
00:47:53,750 --> 00:47:51,599
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1414
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:53,760
and again folks as always keep looking

1415
00:48:17,750 --> 00:47:56,850
up you never know what you might see

1416
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:23,900
i don't think he expected me

1417
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:32,870
[Music]

1418
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,390
i can't imagine how it could have been

1419
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:36,000
any better

1420
00:48:58,109 --> 00:48:54,950
there was something on my head and

1421
00:49:02,970 --> 00:48:58,119
everything was weird and everything was

1422
00:49:16,630 --> 00:49:12,200
[Music]

1423
00:49:23,430 --> 00:49:16,640
if you really want to know who i think

1424
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:31,990
[Music]

1425
00:50:02,390 --> 00:49:56,480
what's that

1426
00:50:04,890 --> 00:50:02,400
[Music]

1427
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:04,900
it wasn't a tic-tac

1428
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